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Created by: gofish

9/13/20 @ 9:17pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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I wrote this post as a message to help a member heal, to create a dialogue between all of us who share the same experience, to heed warning to those that might fall into the same position.

Too often this happens as is seen in the dialogue. And I'm sure there are many more experiences.

I maybe a handicapped fellow with cerebral palsy, but creepy stalker I am not. I take responsibilities for my behaviors and activities in any situation. Maybe I can't help it if I wasn't born standing upright thinking that the whole world should listen to my own viewpoints. Alors, tant pis pour moi, non?

There really is no room here for self-aggrandizing comments. C'est-à-dire, I will not be playing naked chess any time soon.

Tristan_Normand I am sorry hear you suffer form cerebral palsy and totally agree that there are some models on the site who take advantage of viewers in their room. I might add that if this has happened to you please have a talk with the site. Yes emotions get high on the site and it does not in any way infer that you could be a stalker. There area lot of good performers on the site that I am sure would merely enjoy seeing you in their room.
I am truly sorry that you have had to endure these things on the site. One has to understand where Flavio is coming from and like it or not respect his point of view. We are all here to have and experience and a fun time. Should a model only appreciate you for your credits then they are a model to be avoided. Wish you all the best on the site and hope perchance I might meet you in one of the chat rooms.

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9/14/20 @ 12:35pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00

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@Flavio_Garay: That certainly is very accusatory of the viewer and writer. I see you think of yourself to be some sort of enlightened person. You really don't understand at all. You have no right to call viewers and writers stalkers or tell us what is unacceptable behavior. What are you doing here? Is your behavior here acceptable in societal norms? Naked chess? Really?

If you don't want to see that people actually do feel things than so be it. We won't succumb to "the way that Flavio_Garay" sees it.

You brought the word “enlightened”, which aroused my curiosity. I had to look it up in the dictionary. In the other post you talked about the “dark place” sort of thing. The terms “dark” and “light”, and the of philosophical marriage they have, both constitute a topic point related to this one. But let´s keep “responsibility” as the main point. We did not overcome it yet.

You: That certainly is very accusatory of the viewer and writer.

FG: I made an accurate description, not an accusation.

You: I see you think of yourself to be some sort of enlightened person.

FG: Because I am.

You: You really don't understand at all.

FG: Yes, I do. And I am inviting you to the enlightened side.

You: You have no right…

FG: Yes, I do.

You: You have no right to call viewers and writers stalkers or tell us what is unacceptable behavior.

FG: Who is “us”? I am talking to you. Reply for yourself and take responsibility for your answer.

You: What are you doing here?

FG: Pointing out that prioritizations of any group over the self is not a good idea.

You: Is your behavior here acceptable in societal norms?

FG: I don´t think so. What do you think?

You: Naked chess?

FG: Yeah. Why not?

You: Really?

FG: Yep.

You: If you don't want to see that people actually do feel things than so be it.

FG: I want to see people overcoming bad feelings thru responsibly choices.

You: We won't succumb to "the way that Flavio_Garay" sees it.

FG: I do not pursue succumbs into the dark. Quite the opposite, I advocate for the resurgence and enlighten of mankind.

You: We… (we… we…)

FG: Who the hell is WE? Explain that to me please.

XOXO

FG

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Created by: jellybelly4u

9/14/20 @ 5:27pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00

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To the original post (and ignoring whatever hissy fit some performer is having during the dialogue):

When we first get on here, we can get carried away and there are studios that train or coach their models how to spot us and make us "blow our wad". The trick is to just find your footing, have fun and move performer to performer. Always have a half dozen of them in your back pocket and come here like someone said, as it is a strip joint.

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Created by: Flavio Garay

9/15/20 @ 6:43am (EDT) | UTC - 4:00

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Colin Texas said: "Marc_Brantley, you are correct, this place is dark and ugly".

This is FG, the enlightened man, sharing with you, as I always do, extremely valuable information to illuminate your road, bring wisdom to your mind, put strength into your soul, and fulfill your heart with the absolute truth.

So, today we are meeting another human being who is brave enough to accept he is, currently, living in the dark side of the spectrum. This adventurous man is willing to take the road to the bright side to find peace and leave chaos behind.

This will be a renascence trip, a painful road that only a few will ever think about walking, a huge barrier that, at first sight, seems impossible to go through. But you will.

I strongly encourage you to follow this example. Take that first step. Only one at the time. Do not compare yourself to where is someone else right now. Only compare yourself to what you were yesterday.

You are in the exact center of the universe, and there is a good reason for that.

XOXO

FG

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To the original post (and ignoring whatever hissy fit some performer is having during the dialogue):

This is FG, the enlightened man, sharing with you, as I always do, extremely valuable information to illuminate your road, bring wisdom to your mind, put strength into your soul, and fulfill your heart with the absolute truth.

So, today we are meeting another human being who is brave enough to accept he is, currently, living in the dark side of the spectrum. This adventurous man is willing to take the road to the bright side to find peace and leave chaos behind.

LOL

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Created by: Flavio Garay

9/17/20 @ 11:36am (EDT) | UTC - 4:00

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LOL

😂 😂 😂 Priceless!!! 👌🏼👌🏼👌🏼

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Created by: Flavio Garay

9/21/20 @ 9:02am (EDT) | UTC - 4:00

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Some final words on this topic.

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Do not sign a lease for an Airbnb.

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It’s not that vacation rentals are dishonest companies. In fact, they are reliable and extremely useful. Go and navigate those platforms with the proper approach. You will do fine in your next trip if you know exactly what to expect.

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Leasing agreements are not scams. The correct way to go into it is checking the property and carefully reading the whole document. When done, ask the proper questions before singing. If you do not agree, just walk away and look for a better deal.

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Fraudulent activities will continue to exist everywhere you go. Would you rather sit in the basement and complain about it? Or would you rather go out there provided with the tools to prevent them?

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Personally, I always keep my sh*t together when travelling overseas or walking around my neighborhood in my hometown to prevent bad things to happen.

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Following this advice will ensure that every minute you spend in F4F is enjoyable.

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♔ FG ♔

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9/21/20 @ 1:35pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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Created by: bobbynite

9/21/20 @ 6:47pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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This thread has been helpful. We obviously need to make sure we don't misinterpret attention and expressed affection from performers as sincere. It is only the tips we give that are attractive to them.

I have had one performer go so far as to send me photos of "their lives", letters that professed their dedication, and their twitter account, etc. The system is set up to capture naive, insecure and lonely souls to make them empty their pockets for the most convincing performers. You learn to move on and pick performers that just perform and not try to mess with your head.

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Created by: tinymat

9/29/20 @ 10:13am (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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All of us (except the 1% who are true sociopaths) have emotional needs - the need for empathy, understanding, nurturing, guidance, or protection. The second type of spenders described by that Slovak duo are the ones who are not having their emotional needs fulfilled. They come to this site seeking fulfillment for those needs. Why can't they have their needs met elsewhere? It might be looks, social skills, mental health, toxic families, or something completely outside of their control. It is most likely some combination of these factors. All of this makes personal responsibility much harder.

I keep saying "they," but I am like that. Even when not expecting romance, even in full knowledge that a guy is straight, I easily become addicted to having emotional needs fulfilled. The positive attention. The notifications. The messages. All these dopamine hits can simulate emotional fulfillment, and they are powerfully addictive. I've let models treat me in ways that self-respect should never allow. I let one guy walk all over me, and I gave him way more money than I should have. I did this in full knowledge that he had a girlfriend and that he was straight. I did this because the addiction of positive attention completely upended dignity and confidence. And when this guy began making enough money outside of cams, of course he abandoned me. That's the dark side of this business. The manipulation, addiction, and unfulfilled needs.

Fortunately, I have gotten better at using this service for what it's best at. There is a good side of the business - the fun, harmless fantasy fulfillment from wildly talented performers. That has value. It requires healthy perspective, though, and healthy boundary setting. It comes back to what everyone here is saying - models are here to work. Most of them don't mean any harm. Protect yourself by limiting what you come here for. Enjoy the fun, and keep it at fun.

Thank you, everyone, for sharing your experiences here. My heart goes out to my fellow members who were betrayed and abandoned. You deserve better. May you find the love and belonging you are worthy of.

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Created by: paul_michael69

9/30/20 @ 2:04am (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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Why can't they have their needs met elsewhere? It might be looks, social skills, mental health, toxic families, or something completely outside of their control. It is most likely some combination of these factors........

Thank you, everyone, for sharing your experiences here. My heart goes out to my fellow members who were betrayed and abandoned. You deserve better. May you find the love and belonging you are worthy of.

Look, I had a disfiguring accident. I used to take my looks and the attention I got for granted. Now i repulse guys or I get sympathy that I don't want. But I am still relatively young and I have my needs sexually and emotionally. I got tired of porn so here I am on this site and some others. I pay for attention here and in real life to get off. Once your money or credits are gone when your credit is maxed out, these guys are gone. It's my new reality. Apparently a reality that some of you have lived with longer than me and I now see things from your perspective. This is not reality here where someone will always have your back and be there when you are low. Just pay and get your rocks off. Don't keep paying for attention, you'll only be disappointed.

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Created by: duke1924

10/6/20 @ 5:42pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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I don't think anyone should feel like a victim if they have spent a lot on a model because they enjoyed the tIime, either in private shows or being the high tipper in parties and public shows. There is a difference between a model actively scamming a fan by claiming that they needed emergency cash and asking for it from the fan, versus just acting really glad to see the fan when he shows up in the chat. If you enjoy the time/experience, both the pleasure of chatting with a hot guy and seeing him show off his body, as well as the pleasure of feeling that you are helping out a guy who needs the cash (particularly if you are a fan of the men from more impoverished countries), I think you can just enjoy the experience and think it is a fair trade--credits for time/attention/feeling of being important to someone's life.

Yes, it can be upsetting when a favorite model disappears. But that doesn't make it a scam--they might just move on with their lives and want to leave camming behind. They are entitled to do that, just like a fan might decide to move on, whether because he wants the excitement of someone new or he needs to stop and pay off the credit card bills.

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Created by: paul_bryant

10/7/20 @ 4:40am (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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I don't think anyone should feel like a victim...

We are our own victims if we take this site too seriously and fall for the models as if they are real life relationships. Everything here is an act. The screen names, our screen names, the supposed "real names", the "I love you's", even the give country of origin is often not true. Just sit back and enjoy then log off and live your real life.

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Created by: jellybelly4u

10/17/20 @ 9:01am (EDT) | UTC - 4:00

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This is a place where we play and live out a fantasy. Clients, you go into the chatroom and pay for the fun that fulfill something that is missing in your life. Performers, the client only stays as long as they have credits and if they haven't found someone else that peaks their interest. Emotional highs and inflated feelings are superficial and temporary. In the end, when you hit "END SHOW", both sides of the screen hit reality. You are still your same self.

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Created by: soller

10/19/20 @ 12:56am (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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Reality isn't necessarily real. Everyone views the "real" world through subjective glasses and we all wear masks. "How are you today? " "I'm, great, thank you." Just more B.S.! Part of me has been more real in this pseudo fantasy world than in the real world. Some people are more open here in ways they cannot be in real life. Real desires; real fetishe; real fears. Delightful insights into the psychology of the mind. Of the models who are really gay and live in places where it is not gay friendly; we know the secrets their parents and friends don't know. This is a very good thread and a warning to those that may lose their hearts easily. But also you should not lose faith all together in people. Be true to yourself first and there is less chances you will get lost. Many models may not be able to be the lovers you want but many are honest about the friendships; even if it's temporary. There were genuine laughs; genuine smiles before they moved on. No doubt something lived on from the experiences you shared.

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Created by: notsure0315

10/19/20 @ 9:59am (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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Very unique and close to accuracies even not mentioned. Customers, well balanced, realizes that Models are performers, how carni (carnival at times) they go is their discretion and believe customers realize the game, fun, and opportunities. Most realize flirting for free, they are requesting and enjoying appropriate tips and should, however 'jerk-porn' maybe a cras description, many models have described subject to me more definite and direct (one stating " being a cam whore for males and females"); the check the rules on outside contact on both sides going into any F4F contact and graces of the Models for/with your return....although many feel visit maybe a ' one time only so make the best of it the first time' scenario/ set up or not, they depend on return visits and 'fan' relationships not crazed, enjoyable and satisfying times spent while in their rooms, and stand up customers who feel they spent wisely, conducively, and acceptably aimed investmentalisms. let the customer beware has been always - the Models sure as heck have to be and admittedably some enjoy the dom technique alot, most are cool and fair.

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Created by: luv2flirt

11/20/20 @ 1:11pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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I think some members need to understand that this site is a business and that the models we interact with are utilizing the art of seduction and depending on the model other forms of psychological technics to get you to tip, spend credits on them, or even in worst cases go beyond the site limits to give them money.
That’s their main goal so they can earn money and the models with bad character WILL try to take advantage of members that tip and spend high. I’ve interacted with all kinds of models that attracted my interest and there’s nothing wrong with wanting to know more about the person your interacting with that can be fun too But we all need to be aware and have the right perspective while using this site for our fantasy pleasure. Models also need to be aware of members that are very good at using psychology to get what they want.
Sometimes I can’t believe what unfolds before my eyes when I’m in a chat room and I see the interactions going on! One time a model tried to give me their number, claimed that they where in love with me and said it was their cellphone number. I immediately refused to accept the number. Just nip it in the bud before it gets out of hand. Let’s just have fun and have the right perspective it’s all fantasy and nothing more!!!

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Created by: brian_spunks

11/20/20 @ 10:13pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00

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For those that need to fill an emotional void in your life, do not look for it here or you will soon be out hundreds or thousands of dollars. There are many that will pick up on your weakness and take you and your pocketbook to town.

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Created by: notsure0315

11/23/20 @ 12:49am (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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Models are used and many/most time one shot basis... they be friendly, working whichever on or angle and then finish out however. Both customer and model, unless regular, never expect to see each other and Model general and fairly assumes customer stops for fun and whichever and see ya and on or not to someone else next time. regular/fav etc Do Have relationships and get to know each other etc. Fan clubs, schedule knowledge, 'hey come back in an hour" whisper etc. Most both meet and greet here for stand up fun, both parties copestetic on/with arrangements. Block the crazies, allow the Models a 'pass to neutral/no model not available room', and continue the safe and fun time professionally structured to be followed by all. :bulb

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